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Pikes Peak 14115 · 6/21/2025 3:48 pm

Wouldn't the best practice to be to say nothing and leave them guessing?

greenman · 6/21/2025 3:58 pm

I certainly say nothing over there (Yellow or Political) any more. Just disgusting cesspools.

Trish · 6/22/2025 12:06 pm

I have to stop opening and reading Scott and Observer's posts. They've gone wild into "i-am-right, therefore you are obviously wrong." ARGGG.

greenman · 6/22/2025 2:50 pm

Two people of obvious intelligence who are on the wrong side - due largely to Trump.

Sad, indeed.

Siagiah · 6/22/2025 4:03 pm

Pikes Peak 14115 wrote:
Wouldn't the best practice to be to say nothing and leave them guessing?

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Are you responding to my comments about mongo regarding his horrible behavior towards us or that I said that much of what he claims about himself is reasonably true? Not all, but enough of it?

I figured that it was better for folks to focus away from who he "claims to be" and to refocus on what he DOES and some of the reasons WHY.

He just laughs to himself when folks question his background claims because he knows their attacks on his claims are untrue. But others recognizing how emotionally insecure and socially immature he is underneath it all is his true weakness.

Knowing that he has NO EXCUSE for behaving so badly (he's had every financial advantage imaginable) and that his outrageous insecurity about being GIVEN rather than EARNING his "rewards", combined with a profound lack of nurture growing up (for reasons better left unsaid) is BEHIND his endless bragging & need for admiration and his endless OTT attacks on anyone who "dares disagree with his proclamations".

He's got a major entitlement attitude on top of a raging insecurity complex that makes him a serious contradiction emotionally. JUST LIKE tRUMP. Nothing is carved in stone aside of his belief that he is superior while also inferior at the same time.

Both flip between love/excessive praise and hate/excessive denigration based on whether they FEEL that you are on their side or oppose them on any given topic.

Those are my OBSERVATIONS of him based on knowledge of his circumstances and a background in psychology that helped me gain an understanding of his enormous contradictions and mood swings.

He has a "love/hate" attitude towards me.

He really wants me to like and admire him. However, because I no longer do, he also hates me in the same breath. So he has to harshly denigrate me with outrageous lies (designed to also make others see me negatively) to make my view of him "not matter" because that way I'm beneath his contempt, but deep down, he knows he's totally lying about me, so it comes out with contradictions of both smears and praise.

Just like tRUMP, mongo cannot handle being disliked by anyone he seeks to impress but will flip on a dime if the other butters him up and flatters him. What we can readily see with tRUMP, everyone should apply to mongo.

NO slight, imagined or real, can ever be ignored or let go of unless the "offending party" takes a knee and kisses up... publicly. THAT is why tRUMP falls for the deceptions of known liars and evil dictators across the globe. They are so much smarter than him but he has no clue. His need for approval is so profound that it overrides all else.

mongo is the same way.

I wish he'd just get over it already. He only further cements my negative views of him when he keeps it up.

I'd prefer that he just ignore me and I'd do the same in return. However, after knowing him for a couple of decades, I know that will never happen.

Pikes Peak 14115 · 6/23/2025 1:12 am

Just sayijng the fewer words about 'em, the better. No words are best of all.
Here, there, anywhere. Don't give 'em any reason.

Siagiah · 6/23/2025 5:19 am

Pikes Peak 14115 wrote:
Just sayijng the fewer words about 'em, the better. No words are best of all.
Here, there, anywhere. Don't give 'em any reason.

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Are you suggesting that mongo, or others like him, even NEED a reason to trash talk me or anyone else?

HE constantly lies about me, most of which I ignore. However, sometimes I choose not to ignore it, instead addressing it here.

Pikes Peak 14115 · 6/23/2025 11:47 am

I ignore everything about 'em. Their existence in my world is fading away to almost nothing.

greenman · 6/23/2025 1:48 pm

Really.

This is the most recent series of
posts by the 'intelligentsia' over there:

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Houthis SURRENDER To Israel As Yemen Airport Is DESTROYEDBREAKING: Houthis SURRENDER To Israel. - DFM June 23, 2025, 5:59 am
WELL, that a piss the democrats OFF. - gTg June 23, 2025, 7:05 am
Completely FAKE NEWS - KR June 23, 2025, 7:01 am
LOLOLOL NOT!!! - Deanna June 23, 2025, 7:48 am

WHY DID IT TAKE THEM SO LONG ????? - gTg June 23, 2025, 4:03 am

‘HOW DARE YOU’: Iranian-American eviscerates Whoopi Goldberg for US-Iran comparison - DFM June 22, 2025, 10:25 pm
DEMOCRATS ARE POSSESSED BY SATAN - Me June 23, 2025, 4:04 am

Even the U.S. Wasn’t Expecting Israel to Do This to Iran - DFM June 22, 2025, 7:50 pm

Wonder why the President did not bomb North Morea? - GOG June 22, 2025, 6:20 pm
USA DID bomb North Korea mercilessly. - DFM June 22, 2025, 10:49 pm
Yes. Ancient history. And atrocities. - GOG June 23, 2025, 7:18 am

Here it is in a nutshell: - Mondo Fuego™ June 22, 2025, 4:59 pm

Watching PMS/BS/NBC is like Comedy Central. You have a bunch of nervous twits ... - Mondo Fuego™ June 22, 2025, 4:48 pm

The story behind the arrest of 87-year-old veteran John Spitzberg at the Capitol June 20, 20255:01 - Christopher Blackwell June 22, 2025, 1:59 pm

Someone Detonated a Nuclear Weapon And We Don't Know Who - DFM June 22, 2025, 11:18 am
Re: Someone Detonated a Nuclear Weapon - Christopher Blackwell June 22, 2025, 2:18 pm
Exactly. That was another US coverup for Israel. - GOG June 22, 2025, 6:23 pm
Re: Exactly. That was another US coverup for Israel. - Christopher Blackwell June 22, 2025, 7:37 pm
Still unclear. No mention was made of radioisotopes in video. - DFM June 22, 2025, 3:17 pm
Because it is fake youtube news. - KR June 22, 2025, 4:33 pm
Really? How about THESE source? - DFM June 22, 2025, 6:31 pm
Another exploding meteor in the atmosphere. LOLS. - GOG June 23, 2025, 7:27 am
Not fake. Twisted. - GOG June 22, 2025, 6:24 pm

Are we in another 30 year war ? - Lucky June 22, 2025, 10:23 am
Naive much? - GOG June 22, 2025, 6:25 pm
Half-Life is NOT 5000 years, but depends on isotope composition. - DFM June 22, 2025, 11:19 am
Gamma - GOG June 23, 2025, 7:28 am

Some old Hag on PMS/BS/NBC is feverishly looking for ways to punish Trump ... - Mondo Fuego™ June 22, 2025, 7:48 am
Yes. Liars. Good riddance. - GOG June 23, 2025, 7:30 am
Re: Some old Hag on PMS/BS/NBC is feverishly looking for ways to punish Trump ... - Christopher Blackwell June 22, 2025, 2:20 pm
The only beautiful Democrat is on Fox - Mondo Fuego™ June 23, 2025, 9:41 am
It fits, so hush, BaggyPants. - Mondo Fuego™ June 22, 2025, 4:41 pm
Re: It fits, so hush, BaggyPants. - Christopher Blackwell June 22, 2025, 4:51 pm
Look, just post what makes you have fun, and I will do my thing. - Mondo Fuego™ June 23, 2025, 7:09 am
I am not a big fan of Trump’s decision, but what are they going to punish him for? - Arwen June 22, 2025, 10:25 am
Hypocrisy reigns. We are living in a time of human self deception and lies - GOG June 22, 2025, 6:29 pm
Oh, that's just it, "partisan bluster". - Mondo Fuego™ June 22, 2025, 4:52 pm
Ol' Portuguese UN Secretary General António Manuel de Oliveira Guterres GCC GCL having a cow fit. - Mondo Fuego™ June 22, 2025, 8:56 am
Yes, residing in that great city that reign over the rulers of the earth. - GOG June 22, 2025, 6:31 pm

BREAKING🚨 - gTg June 21, 2025, 7:23 pm
This IS a JOKE, right? - DFM June 22, 2025, 10:51 pm
Any radiation leaking? - GOG June 22, 2025, 6:45 pm
LOL - Good'Un, Dude. - Mondo Fuego™ June 21, 2025, 9:11 pm

Trump bombed Iran just now. 3 hits. Stand by for additional info. - Mondo Fuego™ June 21, 2025, 4:56 pm
More details ... - Mondo Fuego™️ June 21, 2025, 5:30 pm
Stupid MadCow on PMS/BS/NBC is jawboning against Trump, as usual. - Mondo Fuego™ June 21, 2025, 6:59 pm
PMS/BS/NBC is a Commie Tabloid Rag ... they love Iran more than the US. - Mondo Fuego™ June 21, 2025, 7:29 pm

Few improvements to life have come in the past 50 or 60 years. - Mondo Fuego™ June 21, 2025, 3:14 pm

What a shithole this board turned out to be - Gustavo June 21, 2025, 9:43 am
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Gustavo's comment is the only accurate one, other than Chris and KR's.

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Siagiah · 6/23/2025 10:35 pm

Trish wrote:
I have to stop opening and reading Scott and Observer's posts. They've gone wild into "i-am-right, therefore you are obviously wrong." ARGGG.

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From my experience, they've both ALWAYS been that way.

greenman · 6/26/2025 2:59 pm

Mongo's gross hypocrisy once again ignored by Ken:

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You are a stupid, sh*t-eating troll.

Posted by Mondo Fuego™ on June 26, 2025, 5:46 am, in reply to "Mondo is a cowardly fat belly skinny armed wimp"
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No personal insults

No profanity

Both things which I was dishonestly attacked for by Kenniboi AND Mongo, and both of which the latter is guilty of.

What a sack of manure..

Siagiah · 6/27/2025 11:53 am

It is absolutely mongo's rank hypocrisy. However, in all fairness, Ken C allows "victims of personal attacks" latitude in responding in kind. That is, instead of him simply deleting the whole group of attacks as he once did on R&E. The Political board is a whole nuther animal as far as enforcing rules, civility, and even who is welcome to post there.

greenman · 6/27/2025 2:14 pm

He's a hypocrite who makes up rules as he goes, ignores the ones he has posted there, and plays favorites while stabbing others in the back.

That's Ken's sad reality, Sia.

Pikes Peak 14115 · 6/27/2025 2:54 pm

Why have rules if they're not regularly and routinely enforced?

I had one classroom rule, printable on a fortune cookie.
"I will not lie, steal, cheat, or cause harm, nor tolerate anyone who does."
I admire simplicity and clarity. Syllabi with pages of "rules" kill the intent
with their volume and complexity,. .
Schools had them, and individual teachers had them, and day one was
explanation of these rules. After day one, when students saw rules
were seldom enforced, and capricciously when enforced, some went out
of their way to break them, just for something to do.

Conversations following articles on AOL, Yahoo and other news forums
now have AI algorithmic monitoring, and NOTHING gets past that. A comment
I made, quoting Trump who called leakers of so called classified information
contradictory to his "obliteration" statement, "low life losers" was rejected because
low life losers is troll language the AI spots and rejects.

The chilling effect of this is not only do I not intend to express my invited and solicited
views and opinions anymore because of their clearly stupid and unfair enforcement
of prohibited words, even if they're quoted from the article, but I lost interest in
reading news or articles of any kind on those platforms. I am not a troll whose intent
is to personally attack other commenters. My intent is to contribute something
thoughtful and meaningful.

My specific intent questions the felon's naming of low level losers who released classified
information. Since when do low level losers access classified information?. Where did
they find it? In a Mar a Lago bathroom? Rejected because "low level losers" is AI
enforced prohibited language? Then the damned article should have been rejected!

What did I learn? Not to waste my time in places where rules are either not enforced at all,
or enforced capricciously with bias or favoritism, of enforced stupidly to kill any kind of
intelligent discussion and understanding. It's all the same.

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greenman · 6/27/2025 3:54 pm

Well-said. I've finally learned that as well.

When Ken suggested he'd enforce his own, posted rules if I would 'behave better,' I knew I'd been stabbed in the back. My conduct as habeas was EXEMPLARY, on purpose.

He is a scoundrel, and his boards are, appropriately, sewers.

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Siagiah · 6/27/2025 9:13 pm

greenman wrote:
He's a hypocrite who makes up rules as he goes, ignores the ones he has posted there, and plays favorites while stabbing others in the back.

That's Ken's sad reality, Sia.

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Well, he absolutely stabbed me in the back. and threw me to the wolves because I wouldn't bend to HIS unreasonable request.

He also said that totally absurd crap to you about what it would take to get him to enforce HIS OWN RULES, as if that is even remotely a normal thing for a moderator who gives a care to say. He clearly wasn't paying attention since he thought you were behaving badly when you weren't.

Until seeing that crap along with his clear bias against you and obvious favor towards mongo, refusal to tell those who'd post multiple threads one after another after another, etc. to knock it off, I thought Ken was a pretty decent guy, even if a bit odd when it comes to social cues and humor.

I helped him for YEARS, always stuck up for him, and NEVER broke his rules, then he got angry at me for refusing to bend to his demands for OUR board, so he banned me for 3 weeks based on THAT and not on a single thing I'd done wrong on his board.

Screw that. THAT is back stabbing, even if mongo and scott somehow convinced him that I'd betrayed HIM for refusing to change this board to suit him by giving him a DNR against you (greenman). We don't HAVE DNRs and he did NOT "have to come here" if it upset him. But he did anyway, constantly just to see what else he could complain about.

Anyway, I don't want to go back to that angry place. It's over and done with.

greenman · 6/28/2025 11:12 am

Yeah. It's angry and stupid, totally unworthy of the effort of trying to supply dissenting voices.

Ken pretends he wants everyone to have a voice there, but he's lying. His post to me proved that.

I don't consider him a good judge of people, of posts, or a good enforcer of rules. Mongo manipulates him easily.

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Siagiah · 6/28/2025 11:40 am

I believe that the whole thing is an exercise in trying to irritate me or get even with me for refusing his attempts to change THIS board and deleting his log in here. (he still has a valid log in for the main board but chooses not to use it).

WHY else would he have chosen the EXACT color scheme for every single thing on the Blue message board as well as here on the forum? WHO DOES THAT? They all have to be individually chosen. It's NOT like choosing a fully fleshed out theme.

NO ONE.

He has also underhandedly put in place a rule that ALLOWS posters there to trash both Blue boards and all of our participants by specifying that it is not allowed for anyone to trash "LINKED BOARDS" to his political board. In the past, NONE of that was allowed, linked or not.

He changed that line a few months back.

and YEAH, he's a horrible judge of people and is incapable of reading most social cues and behind the words meanings.

Siagiah · 6/29/2025 8:37 pm

WOW, it looks like mongo is seriously upset about Gustavo/Mike Scalese bragging about his money. LOL. mongo is OBSESSED!

ROFLMAO

greenman · 6/30/2025 8:28 am

Scalise getting his goat. Mongo even pretends he's upset by Scalise having a gasoline-powered truck, when he himself HATES electric cars!

Mongo is so twisted that, as they used to say, he must have to screw himself into bed at night..lol

ps - oh, and there's also his habit of calling Scalise a 'wop,' which Ken allows..

Pikes Peak 14115 · 6/30/2025 11:33 am

Ideal balance of a community board is equal left and right, liberal and conservative.
But there are elements of the right with whom that balance is impossible and won''t
work. R&E is an example. Ken wanted balance. With that particular "right" element,
he manages trolls. If he enforced his rules, they'd most all be gone. Appears to me,
rules were overlooked for invitation of a rightwing argument and discussion for balance.
Each is a troll of one or another kind. Result is reasonable people fled. NBT.
Nothing but trolls.

They have each other. Will prolly die off with each other, and that's that.
We too are a relic. Social media Americana mostly moved on.

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Siagiah · 6/30/2025 2:17 pm

Yeah, I've tried for YEARS to get that balance on Blue. However, the dominant LW rejects each and EVERY RW and even center/right poster we've ever had.

TW is basically all we have left of active C-RW members and there are pig-piles and trashing every time he expresses an opinion because the LW is generally SO INCENSED by trump that ALL RWers, whether they like him or not, are target practice.

He doesn't allow that to "get to him" or to drive him off but everyone has their limits.

R&E Politics is a flipping MESS because Ken tolerates the good and the bad on BOTH SIDES. If he was really interested in good discussions as he claims, several on BOTH sides would be GONE.

It is funny though, on the R&E-P board, HH and greenman, whom Ken perma-banned from regular R&E behave(d) pretty well in spite of their past behaviors and therefore earned their place there (even though Ken WAS SO UNFAIR to greenman that he pushed him out TWICE due to his blind bias), yet those who behave the WORST like mongo and Scalese/Gustavo are never threatened with banishment and their worst trash talk always remains (disgusting vulgarity; blatant racism; excessive personal attacks even as top post topics; excessive hogging of forum with as many new threads in a row as they please; etc.) KR & SES/CE0802 balance each other with equal disdain for the opposition while remaining just barely within the declared rules while still violating the spirit of them. It is the RW who pig-piles excessively there and on regular R&E, because they can. DFM deliberately violates rules repeatedly while both he and GOG peddle their particular brands of racism. However, DFM also peddles PURE HATRED against Palestinians and Iran as well as anyone who believes anything HE disagrees with.

It's beyond absurd there. There are essentially NO enforced rules and basically ANYTHING GOES as long as you are not greenman.

It is nothing but white whine ON STEROIDS.

Siagiah · 6/30/2025 2:30 pm

greenman wrote:
Scalise getting his goat. Mongo even pretends he's upset by Scalise having a gasoline-powered truck, when he himself HATES electric cars!

Mongo is so twisted that, as they used to say, he must have to screw himself into bed at night..lol

ps - oh, and there's also his habit of calling Scalise a 'wop,' which Ken allows..

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I can't help but crack up laughing at how triggered mongo is about it. Youd think that he is jealous, but he's more threatened than jealous, which is just too damned funny.

He only reinforces how insecure he truly is, yet he thinks everyone else even cares at all -- which they DON'T.

FTR, HH is NOT perma-banned from Blue. I, personally have NO problem with him and actually like him. However, Poppet DOES have an issue with him, so out of deference for her, we didn't let him join. Given how little Poppet currently participates on Blue nowadays and the fact that she posts on R&E-P where he also posts and there have been no issues, I'm open to him joining Blue. So mongo is FOS in claiming that HH is "banned everywhere else". Mongo is banned nearly everywhere else so he has ZERO room to criticize HH.

greenman · 6/30/2025 5:00 pm

This is hilarious:

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https://mb.boardhost.com/Bi-PartisanPolitics/msg/1751300074.html

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'Gas-guzzling?' Since when did you care about that, Mongo?

'Wop-a-doodle?' Since when is that legal under your stated rules, Kenniboi?

I tried to make a difference there, but look at it now.

Four posters who cut back on posting when I was on there - SES, GOG, DFM and Mongo - are now dominating that board. You think these idiots can accept being contradicted? You think they don't love an echo chamber full of fellow Trump sycophants? Yeah, they sure do.

Righties are fascist COWARDS. Every one. Including TW.

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greenman · 7/01/2025 9:32 am

Sorry, Sia, but this is GARBAGE.

"TW is basically all we have left of active C-RW members and there are pig-piles and trashing every time he expresses an opinion because the LW is generally SO INCENSED by trump that ALL RWers, whether they like him or not, are target practice.

He doesn't allow that to "get to him" or to drive him off but everyone has their limits."

We've had two, as I recall; SES, the single worst Trump troll and propagandist on Boardhost, and now TW, who's probably second or third-worst. How you can miss that, and blame us for arguing with him when YOU YOURSELF argue with him all the time, I have no idea.

He doesn't act like a member of this board; he only shows up every 2-3 weeks or when it suits him, to troll something he heard on Fox or read on some extremist site. He tells and repeats lies and false information, slanders those of us who are Dems and Libs, is absolutely one-sided and one-dimensional, and whines and runs away the minute he's criticized. I assume he's been whining to you about his 'mistreatment' or you wouldn't have posted this.

Some of us like a friendlier board with people who are more agreeable. Not some kind of mess like Ken's boards.

Pikes Peak 14115 · 7/01/2025 3:30 pm

TW is like one we had some years ago called Mr. Sunshine. Remember him?
There was no reasoning with the man. When he learned about my rockpile, he
relentlessly made fun of it, and my stupidity. SES picked up on that and did it
too. He still would if he could.

Remember when Sunshine disappeared? Somebody like IRS was after his ass.
Oh! You me he cheats? Tell me Lester, it isn't so!

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greenman · 7/01/2025 5:42 pm

I vaguely remember Mr. Sunshine. We are well rid of him..

Siagiah · 7/01/2025 7:24 pm

TW didn't say a thing to me about it. Not.One.Word.

I was responding to what Pikes said -- "Ideal balance of a community board is equal left and right, liberal and conservative."--

I do not have ANY PROBLEM with people arguing with TW's opinions. Disagreement is expected. Being disagreeable is the problem. Personal attacks are the problem.

Attack opinions. Don't attack PEOPLE.

That's all I was saying.

greenman · 7/02/2025 7:37 am

OK, but what happens when the person makes himself deliberately disagreeable? What about HIS attacks on myself and others here?

He shouldn't be coming in, trolling, and then complaining when he's called on it.

greenman · 7/05/2025 3:51 pm

That lying b@stard SES running of his mouth about 'over there,' which I assume is these boards..

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have to laugh, even though it's actually sad, I suppose.[as are your constantly abusive, pro-Trump posts]

Posted by CE0802 on July 5, 2025, 6:57 am
Sometimes the Lefties' insanity is caused by their being so incredibly uninformed.[only SES is 'informed,' because he's always right and you're always wrong]

Sometimes it's just an outright lie, although I think sometimes their lies are because
their TDS blinds them to the obvious.[the Trump Derangement is all yours, boy.]

Now, over there, they're claiming that "TRUMP SAID HE HATES ALL DEMOCRATS!!!
THAT'S HALF OF THE POPULATION!!! HE SHOULD BE REMOVED!!! THAT'S NOT
SOMETHING A PRESIDENT SHOULD EVER SAY!!! AAAHHH!!!" [note: no link to any actual post, just another derisive strawman]

And they include a clip of him CLEARLY saying that he was just talking about the
Democrats IN THE CONGRESS who voted against the Great Big Beautiful Bill.[and that makes a difference ... HOW?]

So in that case, they can't say that they're uninformed; they included the video.

It COULD mean that their TDS rage has put the truth out-of-focus and they just can't see it.['TDS rage' is the source of virtually ALL of your posts]

Or they're just outright lying. [as you are here.]
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In your case, Mr. Stolen Valor, it's
lying. Because that's what you do, with a little help from irrelevant statistics you throw in in order to whine 'but everything I posted was factual!'

Asshat.

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