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In case it’s removed due to politics or something, this is my top-post to the climate troll DFM…who’s now demanding that Poppet approve/disapprove his relentless parade of climate disinformation:
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Let’s be honest about where Climate Denialism comes from.
Posted by greenman on February 20, 2024, 5:00 am
It is and has always been POLITICAL in nature.
Of those on this board (and others) who accept the consensus of anthropogenic global warming and climate change, virtually all have the same tilt to their politics (including myself).
Of those who deny that climate change due to AGW exists, or minimize it as a problem and blame others for being deceptive about it, all are of the other and opposite tilt, politically.
This is true across the nation and the world, and it is true in the U.S. government. I could post evidence but not without violating prohibitions against mentioning political parties or ideologies by name.
What Ken wants to do about that, if anything, is up to him. But this whole ‘debate’ is simply a surrogate for political debate, and has been all along.
The SCIENCE is clear enough..
FWIW
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I couldn’t really post this due to politics, but the evidence about Deniers in Congress is clear:
DFM is no better than GOG in my opinion, and arrogant and insistent on his own scientific ‘omniscience’ as well.
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Actually, it was a direct answer to Gustav, however, apparently only to the inside where he suggested Pikes get the car fixed and move on.
You responded along the lines of "Oh, Pikes never woulda thought of that" inside. Apparently not thinking about the subject title and how it might look. No biggie since that wasn't your intent. I was just confused, but thanks to your explanation, now I'm not.
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Sorry, I guess it looked that way. If I’m responding to a post with text, my Subject line tends to reflect that, rather than the other poster’s Subject line only.
Sometimes perhaps that looks funny..
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Imo, Ken and Trish must have phenomenal patience. We are all more or less stuck in a revolving door around the same questions, topics, misinformation, conspiracy theories and what all, either asking, answering, replying, responding... and have been doing so for years. The exact same cast of people don't get along, won't get along, make almost no effort to get along, to the point it really resembles some kind of mental illness.
"Pigs in the creek!" shouts a suckled sow in the stream.
It is a microcosm of America. We're one big dysfunctional country
Where is jb? Did he find somebody else to pester?
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Just don’t say his name three times!
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greenman wrote:
Just don’t say his name three times!
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ROFLMAO...
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greenman wrote:
Sorry, I guess it looked that way. If I’m responding to a post with text, my Subject line tends to reflect that, rather than the other poster’s Subject line only.
Sometimes perhaps that looks funny..
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Really, it's okay. I get it now.
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Pikes Peak 14115 wrote:
Imo, Ken and Trish must have phenomenal patience. We are all more or less stuck in a revolving door around the same questions, topics, misinformation, conspiracy theories and what all, either asking, answering, replying, responding... and have been doing so for years. The exact same cast of people don't get along, won't get along, make almost no effort to get along, to the point it really resembles some kind of mental illness.
"Pigs in the creek!" shouts a suckled sow in the stream.
It is a microcosm of America. We're one big dysfunctional country
Where is jb? Did he find somebody else to pester?
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It's a shame, but it's just how it is. It would be nice if some of the old time posters reappeared and gave a shot of adrenaline to the mix. If only wishes were reality...
HA! on the description of the main PIG (Shadow/Observer) in the stream!
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Well, thank you again Ken for doing something about GOG's endless DNR violations. Somehow he thought that I was violating my DNR against him. I most definitely WASN'T. I was merely talking about folks not knowing about The Matrix
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Is it okay for a poster who DNR’d a poster to
Posted by GOG on February 20, 2024, 7:37 pm, in reply to "Some peeps are unfamilar with The Matrix..."
use a proxy poster to respond towards the DNR’d person’s post? Surely not. There is an increase in this kind of outrage.
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OMG, this one was too easy. Gustavo really stepped in it this time. LOL
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Hunting for pigs. You must be the one that got away squealing like Porky?
Posted by Sia on February 21, 2024, 9:11 am, in reply to "Why were you and greenman in a muddy stream?"
Message Thread
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The Climate Denier Twins, Otis and DFM, back at work…
SMH
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greenman wrote:
The Climate Denier Twins, Otis and DFM, back at work…
SMH
Mugwump and Sir Real set the example. DFM posts this same stuff repeatedly.
It's a mental illness. Responding to it with the same is likewise.
It's a bunch of little spinning circles. DFM spins, Otis spins, Observer
spins, GOG spins out, Scalese/Gustavo spins, Devo spins....
around and around they spin the same thing repeatedly for
an audience of three..
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Yep. SES is back and pushing the same nonsense too, unpleasantly…
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[initial post to DFM]
It's a legitimate source, and an even more legitimate question.
Posted by CE0802 on February 21, 2024, 2:01 pm, in reply to "NO. This is a legitimate source, NOT a crackpot source."
Climate.gov provides a graph of "Global Average Surface Temperature".
And a statement that "Earth’s temperature has risen by an average of 0.11° Fahrenheit
per decade since 1850, or about 2° F in total."
2° of GLOBAL warming in 173 years.
OK. Cool. (no pun intended)
Does anyone really think that the "experts" are able to determine what the GLOBAL
average temperature was 170 YEARS AGO to any level of accuracy, much less to be
able to say that the average temperature of the GLOBE has increased by 11 one-hundredths of a degree on average per decade?
You KNOW that they had to take some sample of temperatures taken all over the world IN 1850 and somehow compute an average GLOBAL temperature.
And then claim that the temperature that they've come up with is analogous in any way to an average Global temperature computed TODAY from sites all over the world?
It's absurd.
But, of course, since any such thinking and questioning of the data goes against their religion, the Zealots declare it little more than conspiracy lunacy.
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NO evidence there, you notice. But he’s entitled to his opinion. And yet there’s that nasty little poke at ‘the Zealots’ at the end, which he just can’t resist.
I replied, suggesting that this ‘fit in with his political stance on warming, and he had this to say:
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Or you could respond to the post. Up to you.
Posted by CE0802 on February 21, 2024, 6:23 pm, in reply to "Or you could respond to the post. Up to you."
greenman: "Are you this stupid?"
And you wonder why you get banned.
lol
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Had he been civil, I WOULD have just responded to the post - although my reply was in keeping with my earlier post about warming and politics, and contained no insults or implied threats.
But a jerk is gonna be a jerk. It’s a lesson to me to do more to avoid that kind of behavior, I guess.
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I have opened discussion with Ken re: DFM repeats. I think perhaps I need to open a conversation about all such repetitive posts. Afterall, we gave Devo repercussions. Why should he be different.
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He shouldn't be different.
He's SO BAD that Mugwump has taken to calling him out in comically snide posts about his never ending repeats since DFM got a DNR against him for calling his B.S. out...
Mugwump's posts are being deleted as "repeats" while DFM's remain. It's frustrating to watch.
I hope it gets resolved soon because DFM has gotten VERY obnoxious
As for me, I won't be responding to the nonsense again. I spent a good amount of time responding with well reasoned, supported, and very rational responses.
NO ONE RESPONDED. They all just kept fighting around my responses.
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Well, it appears that Ken C heard you Trish and decided to limit the endless posts about Climate change/Global warming.
GOOD !!
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Good call.
Now there’s a big stinkfest featuring Sprout (more of an asshat than usual) and his temporary buddy, Hemi (who flew into a rage when I told him to f— off). Hemi humorously refers to himself as ‘Helpful’ in this thread.
Hemi is dangerously deranged. I hope there’s nobody in his personal life who is talking that abuse. He’s a nut.
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I wonder whether Sprout is high, drunk, or just a jerk?
He’s raving like a maniac about ‘gangs smuggling cupcakes,’ for some demented reason.
Does he 1) not grasp that he mentioned gangs only in passing, and said NOTHING about drugs, which is why I brought up the latter?
And 2), not grasp that gangs have other businesses than drugs, including violence, protection, robbery, intimidation, etc?
What an a—hole. He seems to be trying to outdo SES. And of course this abuse as usual goes on and on without moderation…
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Here’s the sequence:
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I would say that IF Mexico agrees to go all in on locking down the border... - Sprout February 22, 2024, 11:50 am
One word, genius - greenman February 22, 2024, 11:51 am
Who said that drugs aren't involved? - Sprout February 22, 2024, 11:54 am [this was where the sealioning began]
No one, why so defensive? - greenman February 22, 2024, 12:16 pm
LOL.... the gangs I mentioned are in the business of producing - Sprout February 22, 2024, 12:46 pm [he didn’t mention ANY gangs by name OR by occupation]
Where did you mention gangs - greenman February 22, 2024, 12:49 pm [I literally didn’t see that post at first]
I didn't see any above this either. Perhaps he was thinking about them but - Sia February 22, 2024, 3:36 pm
Lying? Or not paying attention? - Sprout February 22, 2024, 3:39 pm [typical asshattery]
Mea culpa. I didn't notice it on the first read. - Sia February 22, 2024, 3:50 pm
I never said that I SAID drugs.... - Sprout February 22, 2024, 3:53 pm [not even rationsl]
OMFG, I mentioned drugs - greenman February 22, 2024, 4:01 pm
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I mentioned drugs separately from gangs and he flew into hysterics, acting as if it were a personal attack on him.
I’m done with that board if that kind of sh*t doesn’t come to an end. It’s ridiculous. Personal abuse is banned, but happens ALL OF THE TIME.
A joke…
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IDK what his problem is, but Sprout has been a BIGGER JERK lately. He's always been an itch, but my gawd, he's just a stinkpot lately.
It seems like there's an infection of hateful, ugliness spreading there. Not sure what or who introduced the virus to get to THIS point, but I hope everyone gets a grip and just stops it. SOON.
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SNEAKING POLITICS INTO THE MIX... UNBELIEVABLE
Amen!
Posted by Deanna on February 22, 2024, 7:13 pm, in reply to "The corruption in the Mexican government and the power of"
I have been to Mexico many a time in the past...and there is NO MIDDLE CLASS.....you are very rich or very poor, period!!!
The last President had a working relationship with Mexico that prevented massive amounts of would be illegals entering the USA and it was working great.....even the cartels were shut down to a great degree....
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A VERY sneaky way of getting around the new rule about climate change... He's CLEARLY referencing his idiotic posts from some historian who seems to believe that he's an expert on climate change. It IS going to devolve into yet again ANOTHER hateful thread because he's violated the rule in bringing that up again. What a JERK.
"An expert is a man who makes quick decisions and is sometimes right." - George Callahan
Posted by DFM on February 22, 2024, 7:11 pm
Two physicists independently made the same discovery on General Relativity. They sent (separately) their discovery to the World's foremost expert on General Relativity, Albert Einstein. Einstein dismissed both, and rather cursorily.
However, Einstein was WRONG, while Alexander Friedman and Georges Lemaître were both right. Neither Friedman nor Lemaître had any formal education to General Relativity. Einstein formally apologized to both Friedman and Lemaître, and withdrew his published criticism.
Scientific decisions are not made on the basis of education, background, nor expertise on the subject in question. Scientific decisions are made on the base of evidence, regardless of expertise.
This is why rejection of opinions of climate skeptics base on their supposed lack of credentials is fundamentally wrong in principle.
Furthermore, alteration ("adjustment") of evidence, no matter by whom, is an absolute violation of the Scientific Method.
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Siagiah wrote:
SNEAKING POLITICS INTO THE MIX... UNBELIEVABLE
Amen!
Posted by Deanna on February 22, 2024, 7:13 pm, in reply to "The corruption in the Mexican government and the power of"
I have been to Mexico many a time in the past...and there is NO MIDDLE CLASS.....you are very rich or very poor, period!!!
The last President had a working relationship with Mexico that prevented massive amounts of would be illegals entering the USA and it was working great.....even the cartels were shut down to a great degree....
The different between this and my post that briefly mentioned the same person, is mine described him as an amoral, immoral, unethical man in a context of religious and scientific philosophy. Pig No. 2, who doesn't know the difference between standing in the creek or in her own trough of food (slop), wrote about his policy, which is political.
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Siagiah wrote:
A VERY sneaky way of getting around the new rule about climate change... He's CLEARLY referencing his idiotic posts from some historian who seems to believe that he's an expert on climate change. It IS going to devolve into yet again ANOTHER hateful thread because he's violated the rule in bringing that up again. What a JERK.
"An expert is a man who makes quick decisions and is sometimes right." - George Callahan
Posted by DFM on February 22, 2024, 7:11 pm
Two physicists independently made the same discovery on General Relativity. They sent (separately) their discovery to the World's foremost expert on General Relativity, Albert Einstein. Einstein dismissed both, and rather cursorily.
However, Einstein was WRONG, while Alexander Friedman and Georges Lemaître were both right. Neither Friedman nor Lemaître had any formal education to General Relativity. Einstein formally apologized to both Friedman and Lemaître, and withdrew his published criticism.
Scientific decisions are not made on the basis of education, background, nor expertise on the subject in question. Scientific decisions are made on the base of evidence, regardless of expertise.
This is why rejection of opinions of climate skeptics base on their supposed lack of credentials is fundamentally wrong in principle.
Furthermore, alteration ("adjustment") of evidence, no matter by whom, is an absolute violation of the Scientific Method.
He’s essentially no different from GOG, just more sophisticated in his background.
These comments illustrate that:
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This is why rejection of opinions of climate skeptics base on their supposed lack of credentials is fundamentally wrong in principle.
Furthermore, alteration ("adjustment") of evidence, no matter by whom, is an absolute violation of the Scientific Method.
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People have credentials for a REASON: does it make them infallible? No. Does it make them informed people in a field, who have a certain expertise? Yes, it should. If you summarily dismiss their findings and opinions, you don’t really want to know what’s going on in that field, you’re just setting them up for attacks. Like GOG does. ‘Only skeptics know anything, mainstream scientific knowledge is worthless’ is a stupid notion.
As to adjustment of data, I already gave him a perfectly good example of that being a legitimate thing - the adjustment of Carbon-14 dating of ancient objects using tree-ring data (dendrochronology). Archaeologists and Paleontologists noticed discrepancies in those methods which eventually led to the more accurate tree-ring data being used to re-calibrate the whole range on ancient dates obtained through C-14. Turns out the further back you went, the wronger the ‘data’ actually were.
Apparently DFM would have us believe these folks were just corrupt scientists ‘cooking the books,’ perhaps to score some personal political point or obtain funding, and that we should’ve kept the INACCURATE data and determined our entire understanding of the past based on it, instead.
For a self-appointed ‘scientist’ who claims to respect the Scientific Method, he’s quite a fool. Thus his reliance on YouTube videos for his information these days, I suppose..
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Sophia’s brilliant thinking re: Experts
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an expert is a
Posted by observer on February 23, 2024, 7:48 am, in reply to ""An expert is a man who makes quick decisions and is sometimes right." - George Callahan"
has been (ex) drip under pressure (spurt).
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Sounds dirty, Sophia! Hope he used a condom…
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greenman wrote:
Sophia’s brilliant thinking re: Experts
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an expert is a
Posted by observer on February 23, 2024, 7:48 am, in reply to ""An expert is a man who makes quick decisions and is sometimes right." - George Callahan"
has been (ex) drip pressure (spurt).
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Sounds dirty, Sophia! Hope he used a condom…
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It's a loony comment IMHO and LMAO about your response. LOL
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Siagiah wrote:
greenman wrote:
Sophia’s brilliant thinking re: Experts
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an expert is a
Posted by observer on February 23, 2024, 7:48 am, in reply to ""An expert is a man who makes quick decisions and is sometimes right." - George Callahan"
has been (ex) drip pressure (spurt).
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Sounds dirty, Sophia! Hope he used a condom…----------------------------
It's a loony comment IMHO and LMAO about your response. LOL
Some people are what they identify. Others just resemble it. She does both.
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Mayer now posting politics and attacking criticism again:
The post is a Glen Greenwald piece attacking left-leaning Brizailian President Lula, who won a huge victory against right-wing fascist Bolsonaro, a good buddy of Trump. This is of course why DFM supports Greenwald.
When I called him on it of course he became hysterical and falsely accused me of being an ‘authoritarian…’
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"Propaganda and disinformation are NOT free speech. Period." So you admit to being a totalitarian.
Posted by DFM on February 28, 2024, 8:48 am, in reply to "Good. That might keep Bolsonaro out of office for good."
You should be ashamed of yourself.
You are supporting the policy of Joseph Goebbels.
You are advocating creation of a "Ministry of Truth".
So much for your claims to be a "Liberal".
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This from a Zionist hypocrite who supports Trump and Netanyahu as well as Jewish authoritarianism…smh
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Then a further post suggesting that I’m a Nazi..
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I know of an agency that did a great job of suppressing disinformation: Gestapo
Posted by DFM on February 28, 2024, 12:27 pm, in reply to "Independent of the government of which they are part of?"
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He’s as quick to play the ‘Nazi card’ as he is the ‘Holocaust Card’ and the ‘anti-Semite Card.’
People like him are the reason anti-Semitism exists...
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Let me know if I missed any. All done