Siagiah wrote:

 Hell, even doing your best to apply them consistency results in complaints, so why INVITE them by declaring that you don't intend to even try? 

I kind of understand that comment in the rules.  If posters know what to expect, then they won't be disappointed.  Admin is admitting that Admin may make mistakes.  That might be better than promising to do a perfect job and then failing.

Maybe posters will complain less when they know what to expect.

Last edited by Ken C (8/08/2022 2:42 am)

Ken C wrote:

Siagiah wrote:

 
Sia: Hell, even doing your best to apply them consistency results in complaints, so why INVITE them by declaring that you don't intend to even try? 

----------------------------------------
Ken: I kind of understand that comment in the rules.  If posters know what to expect, then they won't be disappointed.  Admin is admitting that Admin may make mistakes.  That might be better than promising to do a perfect job and then failing.

Maybe posters will complain less when they know what to expect.

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Sia:  No, it's an admission that there will be no EFFORT to be fair nor reasonable, so don't expect it.  It puts posters on a tipsy board where they can have NO expectation of even-handedness.  WHO wants that?  Even if you disagree with the rules, at least KNOWING what they are is preferable to having NO CLUE what might cause the ADMIN to banish you.  NO THANKS.

Do you actually think that THIS suggests someone who's going to TRY to be reasonable & fair but can't promise to always be fair/right?

"A laissez-faire, capricious and inconsistent attitude to administration will be taken but posts containing offensive language or opinions may be removed in line with Boardhost terms of service. Posts promoting implausible conspiracy theories or dangerous misinformation will remain. Really annoying people who are otherwise harmless risk being banned. "

No, that's someone who intends to rule by their random  MOODS.
 

LOL

 Mongo's attack on me on Woodbine's: 

It is interesting that this board had sunk to a marked low as a result of the

...  Posted by Mondo Fuego™ a/k/a SUMMUS on August 8, 2022, 11:46 pm ...

hostility and antagonism spread by many of the people who are now acting so sanctimonious here now that the board appears to have been recently resurrected.

Those being mostly the same inhabitants of the yellow and blue boards. Curious the rush to plague this board again with the same kind of stuff that is routinely posted on those boards.

The allure of a new litterbox?

Wonders never cease.


MONGO'S ATTACK ON GREENMAN AND ME: 

Message to greenman and Sia re: Pikes  

Posted by Mondo Fuego™ a/k/a SUMMUS on August 9, 2022, 2:11 am 

The nasty post a while back about Pikes made by a poster named "cynic" was not by me.

You two, in your codependent state, just don't like it that Pikes and I have mended our fences. He is way above your pay grade and level of intellect.

Shame on you.

Please leave me out of BackAlleyGate.


GREENMAN'S RETALIATION: 

Message to the POS calling itself ‘Mondo Fuego’  

Posted by greenman on August 9, 2022, 2:27 am 

Keep my name off your shitposts, you fu cking white trash clump of dung, or I’ll go to Boardhost and get something done about your worthless ass.


MONGO'S RESPONSE (DELETED BY SUM and obviously EXCUSED) 

You will do nothing of the sort. You have zero standing with Boardhost.  

Posted by Mondo Fuego™ a/k/a SUMMUS on August 9, 2022, 2:50 am, in reply to "Message to the POS calling itself ‘Mondo Fuego’"

 You will continue to hide behind your cheap chiclet keyboard under your wet rock over in the Blew Board's Crack Alley where I have lived rent-free in your exhausted head in hundreds of your foul babble spanning 22 pages.

Quit making up unsubstantiated lies about me. Your veracity is at all-time rock bottom.

Now, trot along and quit defiling this board with your filthy language. People here don't want you around. I have nothing more for you.


Message Thread 

• Message to the POS calling itself ‘Mondo Fuego’ - greenman Today, 2:27 am


• You will do nothing of the sort. You have zero standing with Boardhost. - Mondo Fuego™ a/k/a SUMMUS Today, 2:50 am

SUM REMOVED MONGO'S POST (YOU WILL DO NOTHING OF THE SORT, ETC) AND POSTED THIS: 

Sigh..  

Posted by Sum on August 9, 2022, 3:08 am, in reply to "Message to the POS calling itself ‘Mondo Fuego’"Board Administrator ..

.third chance and last chance.

“There's an old saying in Tennessee — I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee — that says, fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can't get fooled again.”   (Sia: obviously quoting GWB's malapropism)


TO WHICH MONGO WROTE: 

Is that post for me or greenman?  

Posted by Mondo Fuego™ a/k/a SUMMUS on August 9, 2022, 3:13 am, in reply to "Sigh.." 

I don't understand letting his vile post stand.

I'm not looking for a food fight here. I just want people like greenman to quit making up lies about me.

We can all do better than this. 

Sum responded thus: 

(it's for) Greenman 

 Posted by Sum on August 9, 2022, 3:19 am, in reply to "Is that post for me or greenman?"Board Administrator 

I'm going to lock the thread now, and remove all replies in 10 mins

  

Earlier, MONGO DECIDED TO ATTACK ME IN THIS POST BELOW:

If I may be so bold as to make a suggestion to SUM? 

 Posted by Sia on August 7, 2022, 6:17 pm 

You MIGHT want to call attention to the changing rules up top so that participants are aware that they are changing DAILY...

 
Message Thread 

• If I may be so bold as to make a suggestion to SUM? - Sia August 7, 2022, 6:17 pm

• Can you not be content to let others run their own board at their own pace? - Mondo Fuego™ Yesterday, 11:55 pm
•     Always micromanaging.
•  
• It’s a wonder Blue is still functioning. - GOG [i]Today, 12:13 am[/i]




I see that you've got your new posting "orders" - Sia Today, 2:40 am

• and will now morph into "that guy" on "command".

((rolling eyeballs))



•  
• Trolling for conflict? - Mondo Fuego™ a/k/a SUMMUS Today, 2:56 am
•  
• You should be Googling for Mozart's Birthday and learning something about music and history instead of always making snide remarks to GOG.

He is far more intelligent than you, and you know it.

Tootles

======================================

I don't plan to return there again.  Not to post anyway.  How disappointing.  I thought the person I solidly believe is moderating was a much better person than she is.  I was grossly mistaken about that.

As for mongo, he ROUTINELY makes up lies about me as well as greenman.  He's done it to HH too as well as anyone who "crosses him".  He accused Pikes of being a pedophile !! Ditto Merlin. Ditto HH.  I mean REALLY ??  He's upset that we pointed out his nasty post to Pikes using a sockpuppet name?  Something he's routinely done to several including me and Poppet.  He even did it on his own board this week trying to make people think that the name he used on Woodbine's wasn't him.  Well TOUGH. 

He routinely suggests an intimate relationship between greenman and I that does NOT exist and tries to pass it off as true.  That is what he DOES. LIES about people and pushes it until others believe it's true.  Exactly what he did to HH.   If people only knew what HE (mongo) really is.  No one would have to lie about it.  He's projecting his own sick thoughts on to others.

He accused ME of "trolling for conflict" after HE DELIBERATELY TROLLED FOR CONFLICT and GOG jumped right on his bandwagon, as usual.
 

I wanted it to work out well.  I still want it to work out for the new moderator.  I'm not hateful nor vindictive and won't do anything to cause him/her to fail.

However, I'm not keen on how EDIT [name removed because I was very wrong about who I thought it was] ** apparently wants to run it so I'm just not going to participate.  I already have a bad taste and that's not going to change because s/he's shown us exactly who/what s/he is and who/what s/he's "good with".  S/he's obviously clever and very funny, but she's also extremely inconsistent in moderating, which is a HUGE negative.

For starters, s/he gave me grief and told me to "grow up" when I made a mild comment to GOG about his nonsense conspiracies deserving deletion.  Ditto a few others for similar minor things.  Snarky commentary rather than polite but clear admonishments isn't conducive to establishing trust or good feelings on a "new board".

At least 2 were banned and multiple posts went missing because they were slightly "off" and not entirely pleasant, completely screwing up the continuity of several threads.  S/he deleted CE0802/SES's post without comment nor answering his legitimate question.  It deserved to be EDITED to remove the diss of greenman, but NOT to be removed.  Who knows if s/he also banned him without notice? 

That made it appear that s/he planned to enforce civility, which is cool.  I have NO problem with that, obviously and was very willing to go along.

S/he asked for a little help in identifying a few IPs so I gave her the help s/he wanted.  It's always good to KNOW who you're dealing with when people can be "anyone" they want to be.  S/he was also accusing greenman of doing what yome & mongo actually did on top of what he actually did. So, clearing that up seemed prudent. 

But s/he left mongo's hateful, FALSE comment against me intact and told him he could stay if he posted as mongo (instead of mondo? LOL).  S/he locked the thread though, so I couldn't defend nor dispute it.  S/he leaves some threads unlocked where posters go to town attacking certain posters but then locks others ?  No rhyme nor reason there either aside of it appearing that SOME are protected from their bad behavior while others are exposed to all kinds of hatefulness.

Then I noticed the rules changing radically up top and commented that it should be announced when rules were going to be significantly changed.  That made me "annoying" and a target of SUM.  What did s/he expect?  That quietly changing rules would go unnoticed by everyone?

But TODAY, mongo shows up and HE can deliberately attack, troll, and insult and THAT'S suddenly OKAY? 

Greenman attacked back and then mongo lobbed an insult back.  His insult was merely deleted but greenman gets his "final warning"?  Yet, he hadn't gotten the first or second one and had already been banned twice and then inexplicably reinstated without comment.  That's just dumber'n'dirt. 

However, Mongo gets NO WARNING for deliberately causing all kinds of problems?  As if.  HE is the troll and he is board POISON. Just because s/he apparently agrees with his viewpoints is NO REASON to give him multiple passes, without a single warning, after banishing others for the same damned thing!  He was CLEARLY looking for trouble.  I didn't answer him because he is nothing but troller-trash.

So, ultimately, the "rules" where s/he said it would be inconsistent and at her whim (paraphrased) is absolutely true.  There are clearly protected posters  and I will NOT be subjected to their hateful attacks and also be scolded by him/her multiple times for being "annoying" for asking questions and politely offering a very reasonable suggestion.

Neither will I tolerate being repeatedly told that I'm "annoying" and have it be encased in the rules that is somehow cause for banishment to be annoying, even if otherwise harmless. 

It's not "cute" nor "clever".  It's demeaning and WILL blow up in his/her face sooner or later when those s/he is currently sheltering turn on him/her for trying to rein them in. 

There's a reason why boards typically have specific rules (or none at all) and don't try to hide who is actively moderating. You CANNOT hide the identity of the mod(s) AND post as another 2 characters there too.  It always blows up.  It would have been better to admit it is him/her right up front and then just ASK for patience in getting his/her feet wet and figuring out how to proceed.  Posters would understand that and be more willing to tolerate mistakes and dumb moves. 

However, arbitrarily changing rules WITHOUT notice is just plain STUPID.

Trying to humble & humiliate posters and arbitrarily banning posters, without warning, is a newbie mistake.

Randomly announcing banishments is bad form, especially when there's ZERO warning process that makes any sense and few even know why, including the banned person.  It's also a recipe for causing hatred for the mod(s) and all kinds of problems later on.

It's even worse to just lift the banishment without comment, apology, or explanation.

Comments like "Heavy Hemi served no useful purpose so has been terminated" is just BEGGING for him to flood the board with crap because it was so unnecessary and in extremely bad form.

The bad taste will last for years for those s/he did it to.

I was trying to be helpful to the new admin and to establish what the rules were and what was expected. But they changed on a whim and today, I saw clearly that it was going to be EXACTLY like the White Whine board that I left in 2008 vowing never to return.  I never did aside of informing them of Dain Ironfoot's death when his widow contacted me.  (Dain and I had been friends and board moderation partners for several years prior).  It will be the same with Woodbine's... er... RMOVED NAME***... er SUM's board.  It's already gone downhill and pretty much the same direction that it was without moderation. 

So, there it stands.  If SUM wants the likes of mongo to be there, free to post any nastiness or trolling that pops in his head, well fine, then s/he's a fool.  However, I WON'T be there too.  I left White Whine for a reason.  I avoid mongo for good reason.  I was interacting with GOG attempting to get along, but the second his "master" arrived, he turned into "that guy".  So to hell with him too.

Not a threat nor a ploy to manipulate REMOVED NAME and whomever else may be moderating there.  It doesn't matter what s/he does now.  It's done.  I'm just not willing to subject myself to situations or people I abhor.  I abhor the likes of mongo and also situations with people who play intermingling, multiple roles, including pretending they AREN'T the admin as if the rest of us are all dumb and can't readily identify who they actually are.  Then posting as if s/he's just any old poster making comments or asking questions.

How insulting.

Whatever.  Carry on.

EDITS: MY APOLOGIES TO ISHKABIBBLE FOR MAKING A FALSE ACCUSATION AGAINST HER THAT I NOW RECOGNIZE WAS NOT ONLY WRONG, BUT GROSSLY UNFAIR TO HER.***
 

Last edited by Siagiah (8/14/2022 11:15 am)

This crap isn't worth getting eaten up over.  If you ever want to return, just show up.  If you don't, then take good care of yourself. 

Woodbine's board is "dead to me".  Same as the White Whine has been for the last 14 years. 

No great loss on either count.
 

greenman wrote:

Incidentally, I was banned on the new Green S—tboard being run by ‘Sum.’

I was going to leave a message for the pig (Ishkabibble?) in charge, but was unable to do so.

May that board die a painful death. Woodbine was a fool to leave it in the hands of an imbecile.

 ===========================================

SERIOUSLY?  After being reinstated and told you'd gotten a third warning (without ever getting #1 or #2)?  It appeared to be left with you having your "final chance" to post there... so WHY were you banned again without a word?

THIS behavior is why that board will deserve what it will ultimately get.  Putting someone in charge who is clueless about running a board and dealing with people is just stupid.  It simply doesn't matter how nice they might otherwise be.

 

I do not like being lied about.    I wish someone here would either post a link to where I have made "dishonest accusations", or apologize.  This is my second request.

greenman wrote:

Twice DFM has violated Ken’s ‘no more than two posts in a row’ rule, and yet Kenniboi is on the Blue Board stirring things up and making dishonest accusations instead of moderating his own board (which he cannot/will not do even with Trish’s help).

Why is this tolerated? Favoritism?

 

I have no idea what's going on over there. It's odd and spotty. Mind you, I can't moderate 24-7 either. I'm sorry GM I enjoy posting to you. 

Ken C wrote:

I do not like being lied about.    I wish someone here would either post a link to where I have made "dishonest accusations", or apologize.  This is my second request.

greenman wrote:

Twice DFM has violated Ken’s ‘no more than two posts in a row’ rule, and yet Kenniboi is on the Blue Board stirring things up and making dishonest accusations instead of moderating his own board (which he cannot/will not do even with Trish’s help).

Why is this tolerated? Favoritism?

 

==============================================

I'm sorry, I cannot help you with this.  I'm not sure what, exactly, the accusation was about and wasn't at the time either, so couldn't address it.  Several of the posts that occurred that day were deleted so they are gone besides so I don't think that ANYONE can produce "evidence" either way. 

It IS true that DFM constantly violates the rules on R&E.  I do think that the violations are eventually handled though.  I've sent enough of them to your attention to know that it might take a little time, but eventually they get removed and handled.  Perhaps G hasn't noticed them eventually being removed?  IDK?  I can't know what he's seen or hasn't.  I typically look again within a day to see using the links sent just to establish what is or isn't considered a rule violation so I don't waste anyone's time reporting things you don't see that way.  So, I KNOW that you two eventually react when you have time.

As for your honesty, I've never noticed you lying about anything anywhere.  I can vouch for your honesty in that way.   I've also never noticed Greenman posting deliberate lies either.  Both of you have expressed your personal OPINIONS about episodes that someone else might view as false, but neither of you have ever introduced dishonest "facts" about anything that I've seen.  IMHO, people should be very careful when tossing out the LIAR label because being mistaken isn't lying and expressing a viewpoint someone disagrees with about a situation isn't lying either. The accusation that someone is a  LIAR gets tossed out way too often by too many people.  Unless someone posts deliberate misinformation that they KNOW is false, it's an error/mistake/opinion if shown to be incorrect.

As for the specific accusations made, individual perceptions of any event are personal according to the accuser's world views, opinions, and experiences.  I didn't notice any dishonesty by anyone involved but also have no idea what G was referring to then or now. 

If he is so inclined, he may provide an answer, but I wouldn't hold your breath.  LIS, the "evidence" is long gone and he's chosen to leave the boards besides.  It would just come down to personal perceptions anyway, even if the evidence actually remained.  Whatever was posted, he perceived it as dishonest and you obviously didn't. Either way, LIS, I didn't notice any dishonesty by either of you, only vastly different opinions on the events that were being argued at the time.  That's the perception I'm left with from the moment in time and I've long forgotten what the unpleasant argument that was deleted was even about so I cannot reconstruct it? 

My best suggestion?  Consider letting it go ?  Whomever else saw it, they made up their minds in the moment too and certainly haven't given it a moment's thought since.

Going forward, I wish both of you only peace of mind and the hope that you can each move on from that ugliness and the bad feelings you each have towards each other.  


 

Louis Armstrong - What A Wonderful World (Original Spoken Intro Version)


 

BTW, in case anyone is interested, 3 members of GREEN --- Woodbine, his Brisbane Australia pal, and Ishkabibble have all been  lurking here multiple times a day and have been for a while now. 

It makes sense that Ish would continue to do that given her upset about my speculation about her being a moderator on GREEN.

Still, WHY are Woodbine and his Aussie pal spending so much time here, WELL BEFORE I commented that I think that Ishkabibble might be the ADMIN on Green?

If Ish actually isn't "one of the mods", she might want to look in their direction because they've both been hanging out here for a little while now, Woodbine for much longer, popping in here and there for several months, but now multiple times a day... pretty much proving that Woody has NOT left the building.  I guess he can't be believed either. 

It's pretty clear that the admins over on GREEN actually like and are purposefully encouraging the hateful environment there. 

Sum is ENCOURAGING it.





 

A VPN didn't hide you very well Sum.  You know who you are and now, so do I.

NOW it makes perfect sense why you are hiding behind a new name and using a (failed) VPN. 

'nuff said... for now.
 

Ken
So you agree with Observer, this was a blatant, crass political post?
https://mb.boardhost.com/CivilizedDiscussion/msg/1660850693.html

Observer was wrong, and on this, he is an idiot. The piece is fairytale satire
in the style of Borowitz. This is the first post of mine ever deleted due to alleged
political content and subject. The first ever. In fact, it's my first post published
on any forum anywhere at anytime, deleted by a moderator. 

Observer posts to cause trouble and delights when I am his target. If you
deleted the post, you made his day. The piece stands on CGD for anyone
to see and evaluate whether or not it is blatantly crass and political.

Too bad Observer is so poorly experienced with Grimm's Fairytales to not
recognize what was done here, and the play on Merlin's title. But then illiteracy
doesn't surprize me in this 21st century America. 


 

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