Siagiah wrote:

What's worse is that Ken isn't even enforcing his OWN rules, deleting violations, or even showing up to moderate basically.  As expected. He always had other people to do the "grunt work" that he is either too busy or too "good" for.  Pathetic.

Figures that would happen. It's all Scott, DFM and that idiot GOG.  All right-wing crap.

and here it is... Unbelievable.  The first one was removed, but he reposted it and it is STILL THERE.  He is such an @ss!

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Still, no sign of dfm being chastised for it.  Others would be facing a time out for doing the same thing.  It's one thing to post something "illegal". entirely another to repost it AFTER it has been removed by an admin.

I am disappointed in BtF for this post... SOOOOO JUDGMENTAL WITHOUT THE SLIGHTEST UNDERSTANDING...

The song Imagine is grossly misunderstood by mostly Christians.  It is a longing for peace on earth and love for all mankind without  religion, threats of hell, or the rewards of heaven to get there because he believed that religion, borders, and politics separated people far too much and made them less likely to see each other as brothers and sisters. 

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Why would someone whose big calling card is that they are known as a Christian....

Posted by BornToFarm on January 10, 2025, 11:43 am

  have "Imagine" sung at their funeral. That is sort of the atheist national anthem. Is that how he wants to be remembered?

Maybe he requested "I can only Imagine" and they got it wrong?

Just so disappointing. I would have thought he would have requested "Victory in Jesus" or something more appropriate.

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The song IMAGINE by Lennon is NOT anti-religious.  It is about PEACE and GOODNESS ON EARTH without it being just about an afterlife, but about a good soul that does good for goodness's sake.  The things that divide humanity are nearly always religion, politics, and land boundaries. Religion topping the list of divisive things.

---Is Imagine anti-religion? 
 The “anti-religious” part is because of the first verse (imagine no heaven). What he is actually saying is that even if there is an afterlife, don't worry about it. Live for today, and work to make this your beautiful world where the vast sky is the limit.

---What did John Lennon think of God?  
I believe in God, but not as one thing, not as an old man in the sky. I believe that what people call God is something in all of us. I believe that what Jesus and Mohammed and Buddha and all the rest said was right. It's just that the translations have gone wrong.

---What is the message of John Lennon's Imagine?  
The central theme of “Imagine,” co-written by John Lennon and Yoko Ono, is to encourage the listener to imagine a world at peace without the divisions of religion, countries or material possessions. It's NOT a political song—it doesn't espouse any political philosophy. It simply encourages peace

----What is the symbolism in Imagine by John Lennon?  
The title of the song says it all, 'Imagine'. Lennon himself is trying to envision a world freed of the things which divide us as people and he's quite literal in the lyrics. Religion divides us, wealth divides us, fear divides us. It is a utopian vision, but it is his vision, his imagination at work.

 

There were at least 4 other pieces of music that were ones Born to Farm would approve of. No mention of those... 

It's the man's funeral. Let him rest in peace.

Embrace of the convicted felon by American Christian Nationalists begs explanation. That offered, that these are the "last days" and the felon is fulfilling Bible prophecy as recorded in Revelation, because a group of wealthy televangerlists said so, defies reason. 

They cheer for the felon as if he is the second coming of the Messiah. They voted for him for the same reason. If would be difficult to find a less religious, more selfish and conceited man, and they justify that by saying God is using him. Just like God used evil men in the OT to advance His will and plan. 

Some say God has great plans for the felon, and expect some epiphany where the old man has a come to Jesus experience that turns him good. 

OTOH Carter lived a Christian life. He was elected to cleanse the presidency of the stain of lies left by the Nixon administration. Americans wanted transparency and honesty, and they got it with and from Carter. 

However, collapse of the Iranian Shah, despised throughout the Arab world for his cruelty, led to mass protests against America because we unconditionally backed the Shah. America became their enemy, and trouble we have in the Middle East ever since sprang from this relationship. 

Unification of OPEC led to the overnight doubling of the price of oil, and gas. Since that happened during the Carter presidency, he was blamed. He was ineffective to combat that, as would be any president. That led directly to massive double digit inflation that also rippled into the housing market as the bad practice of balloon loans and foreclosures exploded. Short sighted Americans blamed Carter.

The American Christian Nationalists dislike of Carter is rooted on that gross misunderstanding. They misunderstand this history as zealously as they misinterpret their Bibles in support of a resurrection of Nixon, in the form of his student, the convicted felon, and exactly the same mob of power mad, corrupt Republicans whose diplomacy depends on strong arm threats using the world's most expensive military. 

Their lack of grace in the wake of Carter's death and funeral clearly shows that the period of grace that Christ ushered in is meaningless to them. They are mean people, just like the newly elected leader they follow and cheer. The felon was treated like the baby paraiah he is at the funeral. It appeared that Obama was the only one to briefly share a laugh with him, and that was because they sat next to each other. For the other two hours beyond those thirty seconds, the felon was deliberately passed over and ignored. 

R&E became a window into the world of American Christian Nationalism. They don 't tolerate any belief different from their own, with the one exception of Jewish zionism, and they have their token Jew expert on the climate. 

Carter's post president Christian life also reflects another American Christian Nationalist belief; a person can't be saved by his good works. Only recitation of their narrow belief, that Jesus is the Son of God, and salvation must pass through Him by utterance of those words, does salvation occur. That justifies their being mean and mean spirited with any and all who do not believe as they. That's why I no longer read or post anything on R&E. 
 

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Pikes Peak 14115 wrote:

Embrace of the convicted felon by American Christian Nationalists begs explanation. That offered, that these are the "last days" and the felon is fulfilling Bible prophecy as recorded in Revelation, because a group of wealthy televangerlists said so, defies reason. 

They cheer for the felon as if he is the second coming of the Messiah. They voted for him for the same reason. If would be difficult to find a less religious, more selfish and conceited man, and they justify that by saying God is using him. Just like God used evil men in the OT to advance His will and plan. 

Some say God has great plans for the felon, and expect some epiphany where the old man has a come to Jesus experience that turns him good. 

OTOH Carter lived a Christian life. He was elected to cleanse the presidency of the stain of lies left by the Nixon administration. Americans wanted transparency and honesty, and they got it with and from Carter. 

However, collapse of the Iranian Shah, despised throughout the Arab world for his cruelty, led to mass protests against America because we unconditionally backed the Shah. America became their enemy, and trouble we have in the Middle East ever since sprang from this relationship. 

Unification of OPEC led to the overnight doubling of the price of oil, and gas. Since that happened during the Carter presidency, he was blamed. He was ineffective to combat that, as would be any president. That led directly to massive double digit inflation that also rippled into the housing market as the bad practice of balloon loans and foreclosures exploded. Short sighted Americans blamed Carter.

The American Christian Nationalists dislike of Carter is rooted on that gross misunderstanding. They misunderstand this history as zealously as they misinterpret their Bibles in support of a resurrection of Nixon, in the form of his student, the convicted felon, and exactly the same mob of power mad, corrupt Republicans whose diplomacy depends on strong arm threats using the world's most expensive military. 

Their lack of grace in the wake of Carter's death and funeral clearly shows that the period of grace that Christ ushered in is meaningless to them. They are mean people, just like the newly elected leader they follow and cheer. The felon was treated like the baby paraiah he is at the funeral. It appeared that Obama was the only one to briefly share a laugh with him, and that was because they sat next to each other. For the other two hours beyond those thirty seconds, the felon was deliberately passed over and ignored. 

R&E became a window into the world of American Christian Nationalism. They don 't tolerate any belief different from their own, with the one exception of Jewish zionism, and they have their token Jew expert on the climate. 

Carter's post president Christian life also reflects another American Christian Nationalist belief; a person can't be saved by his good works. Only recitation of their narrow belief, that Jesus is the Son of God, and salvation must pass through Him by utterance of those words, does salvation occur. That justifies their being mean and mean spirited with any and all who do not believe as they. That's why I no longer read or post anything on R&E. 
 

My feeling is that, if there were a Christian identify linked to Trump, it would be Antichrist.

Not my belief system, but it would be consistent with Christian teaching..

Siagiah wrote:

greenman wrote:

  My feeling is that, if there were a Christian identify linked to Trump, it would be Antichrist.

Not my belief system, but it would be consistent with Christian teaching..

greenman

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I can't believe that they haven't already figured that out!
   

I would "think" that too. History has a long line of streetcorner preachers preaching last days sermons. This has been going on since shorttly after Christ's death. Every single one of them was wrong. Nobody knows when these last days are. They look for signs because Jesus and Paul said there would be signs. However I think many project their wishful thinking into interpretation, including vision and awareness of last day signs. 

The Parable of the Talents addresses what people do with the talents, tasks, trusts, and responsibilities they're given. It's more important than watching for the last day signs. Woe to the ones who do nothing but sit on it, protecting it from.. what? Do something with what you have been given. Don't just sit on it. 

The convicted felon identifies more with the antichrist, if he identifies with any Biblical character. All that matters to me is he's not a good person, so I won't follow him. 

Rather than live as if these are the last days, I chose to live, helping people as I can, following the example Jesus set.. When an American Christian Nationalist tells me works like that won't get me to heaven, I don't care. I don't do good things to save myself and get to heaven. I do them because people need them. God knows I am in no position to help everyone who needs help. I do what I can. I think most people are like that. I hope more people are like that. 

Seems to me too many American Christian Nationalists strive for salvation and eternal life in heaven by uttering the sacred words, and getting others to utter them too. Once uttered, they're safe, and they can and do return to being the mean spirited, mean tempered beings they were before. 

 

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Siagiah wrote:

All true! However, what I'd meant was that I'm surprised that more Christians haven't recognized dt as the anti-Christ.

Doesn't Revelation say that many would be deceived? That part seems to have come true..

I just looked in on R&E. What a MESS!  Devolution has blossomed into a major player there.  Add DFM, GOG, and scott as the other major players and WTF? 

It's just sad seeing how far down R&E has dropped. 

Over the last 2 years, but especially in the last year, participation has flat-lined with so many former members leaving and the worst members essentially taking over....  I'm not even including the one (jb) who used to be the major irritant who trashed or hijacked  EVERY thread.  Even HE has dropped off.

Once upon a time, there were multiple religious beliefs and non-beliefs discussing ethics, religion, and current events.  Now, there is ONE viewpoint "allowed".  If you don't agree, you WILL be driven out one way or another. 

That makes me sad because it used to be a vibrant, interesting place to yap, read, and learn with a great mix of viewpoints. 

No more. 
 

While agree that Devo is a waste of time, WHO the hell does DFM think he is to say such a thing on someone else's board? Does he mean something of value like DFM's stupid YouTube videos?

greenman wrote:

Since I don't go through there on the way to Blue, I don't see it much anymore.

I like it that way. It was garbage when last I looked.

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Yeah, I shouldn't look in ever. It's not like I'm ever going back. 

Trish wrote:

Siagiah wrote:

While agree that Devo is a waste of time, WHO the hell does DFM think he is to say such a thing on someone else's board? Does he mean something of value like DFM's stupid YouTube videos?

In David's defense, he only verbalized what others have said (and what Devo has been warned about a thousand times). I never open David's videos because he doesn't talk about them... kinda dumb
 

What's left at R&E are different kinds of poison sitting on the same shelf. Toxic to touch or open them. 
 

IGNORANT IDIOTS, the lot of them on R&E!

That's ONE reason why I will never go back there. I don't care to associate with MORONS who are to BLAME for what is going on right now.

The other reason is Ken C, who hasn't taken an OUNCE of personal responsibility for the STUPID things that he did that blew up in his face when he refused to listen to anything but what HE wanted.

He thinks that HE is an innocent victim who owes NO APOLOGIES or EXPLANATIONS for absolutely CLUELESS decisions that LITERALLY CAUSED the rift between us in spite of being specifically warned that it would result in exactly that if he did what he said he was thinking of doing... and then did.

It is now irreparable because HE cannot and will not take ANY responsibility for it --- when HE CAUSED IT with his stupid, ill-considered decisions that it appears that scott pushed him into doing.

He is beyond self-absorbed, self-righteous, and CLUELESS about other people's feelings and what betrayal ACTUALLY looks like when he does it.

On top of that, during the LA wildfire discussions, not once did he express the slightest concern for anyone aside of himself and worries about how it might harm the local economy (IOW, HIS work). I've never seen such a lack of concern for others.

This is the rest of my opinion from what I posted and later deleted on the main board because I'd forgotten where I was posting it.