I posted this to him, but it is all gone now.  Was still on my screen when I opened this up again when I finally got home.

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Reread your response inside and THEN answer your own question...

  Posted by Sia on January 27, 2024, 7:43 am, in reply to "Look at each thread"

 Quote: SPROUT

Look at each thread

Posted by Sprout on January 26, 2024, 7:59 pm, in reply to "Funny, so are you... "

Who makes it personal?

Who starts making it about the posters rather than the thread.

He has gone around the bend. DEMANDING that Ken give up the board. Who the heck does he think he is?

Regardless of what he might do, my remark was about what YOU are doing. You are justifying doing exactly what you are complaining about.
 

I just laughed and laughed at this one...

The circus hires freaks 

 Posted by Mike Scalese on January 27, 2024, 3:38 pm, in reply to "Really? Someone posted just last week that the economy is booming" 

You fit like a glove.


 

Message Thread 

• I have no job - Devo January 27, 2024, 4:53 am


• Great if you have money and need not be employed for money. Congrats. - GOG January 27, 2024, 6:09 am


• I do have some social security - Devo January 27, 2024, 10:48 am


• Are you retired? Walmart did hire older folk as greeters. - GOG January 27, 2024, 2:18 pm
• job hunting sucks right now - trish January 27, 2024, 11:25 am


• Really? Someone posted just last week that the economy is booming - GOG January 27, 
•  7,000,000 jobs going begging. Imbecile. I’m okay because of an inheritance. Technology has made me and many others unemployable. 2024, 2:25 pm


• The circus hires freaks - Mike Scalese January 27, 2024, 3:38 pm


• What do they pay, Mikey? - greenman January 27, 2024, 5:15 pm
• Haha:-)). I love your vitriolic insults. Keep ‘em coming. - GOG January 27, 2024, 5:13 pm










• What… - mark January 27, 2024, 5:05 am


• It was..... - Devo January 27, 2024, 10:47 am

greenman wrote:

With that first thread, the whole thing had turned into an abusive exchange between SESky and Sproutsky, the Troll Bros., and myself. I was glad enough to see that mess taken down. Good job, Mods (I know I don’t always say that) !

I would also note that Ken was kind enough ( in another thread) to take down GOG’s derogatory use of the term ‘Pagan’ (used by his type to mean ‘non-Christian, sinner’).

Tip of the hat, Ken!

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I saw that post.  I'm glad it was taken down.  It was rude and totally out of line. 

Agreed on the earlier thread.  That's part of why I spoke up to Sprout.  He's NOT "that guy" normally.  He might pile on "one on one" in a thread, but this behavior of pig-piling with SES is a whole new world for him.  I was hoping to appeal to his "better angels" because he's NOT that guy, not like SES is.

Good on Trish a/o Ken for taking care of it.
 

greenman wrote:

I don’t think he’s that different from SES. Just not usually quite as nasty about his provocations and endless Sealioning.

They both stink.

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I think that he is obnoxious and one of the worst sea-lions ever, but he's really nothing like SES.  Sprout is insecure to the max and constantly trying to prove that he's "smart", so he comes up with ridiculous "sea-lion" arguments that take a discussion WAY off the trail just to puff himself up. 

Until recently, I'd never seen him pig-pile anyone.  Annoy them?  Absolutely, but never as part of a tag-team. That's the influence of SES and part of why SES is a poison pill on any board.  He infects the board with nasty pills and appeals to everyone's WORST nature.  That's why I have a DNR against him.  He will post anything to target someone he decides deserves it and will be relentless until either forced to stop it with a DNR (or a ban) or threatened (like Poppet once did to him, scaring the CRAP outa him).  His relentless targeting drives posters away. 

That's NOT Sprout. 
 

Ken, I haven't gotten any emails from you in a while.  I have no idea what you're talking about or why your email wasn't delivered? 

Ken C wrote:

My main goal for R&E is to have a nice diversity of ideas, opinions and beliefs.  Peace is the second most important goal.

I want peace, but it's even more important to have a nice variety of opinions and ideas.  

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So, it's fine with you if people wage war against one another as long as there's a variety of viewpoints?
 

Siagiah wrote:

Ken C wrote:

My main goal for R&E is to have a nice diversity of ideas, opinions and beliefs.  Peace is the second most important goal.

I want peace, but it's even more important to have a nice variety of opinions and ideas.  

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So, it's fine with you if people wage war against one another as long as there's a variety of viewpoints?
 

Problem is with flame wars some people don't know when to stop. Each combatant must have the last word, so the step ladder of posts marches right down to hell. 
 

Siagiah, A long time ago I disagreed with you about something, then I posted about it on this forum.  Then Mondo Fuego™ copied my post onto his forum and used it try to make you look bad.  That's why I sent you a private message instead of talking about things on the forum.  I did not want Mondo Fuego™ to use my posts to criticize you.

Now after my recent Private Message to you, you said I could let loose on you on this forum if that's what I need to do.  So here is my message to you.

I did not mean to "threaten" you, and I do not intend to "threaten" you.  My message to you included the word "please" twice.   I included the word "request".  I did not include words like "demand".  I did not include a phrase like "or else I will ...".

I am not a language expert.  I am not good at things like wordle.  I may have accidently mis-worded my message.  I apologize for the mis-understanding.  

I saw your post about inter-board wars here:  https://civilizeddiscussion.boardhost.com/viewtopic.php?pid=5290#p5290  That's why I sent the PM about how I want to prevent inter-board wars.  You were the one who brought up the topic of inter-board wars. 

I wanted peace.  I sent a message requesting a peace treaty, and Siagiah felt threatened and upset.

For the record, here is the PM I sent to Siagiah.  


We need to discuss peace between our two forums. - Sent Yesterday 10:42 pm - to Siagiah

I saw your post about interboard wars here: https://civilizeddiscussion.boardhost.com/viewtopic.php?pid=5290#p5290 Do you really want peace between our forums?

For over 4 years my forum and people on my forum have been bashed on your back alley, while I have not retaliated and I have not allowed anyone on my forum to bash your blue board. For over 4 years I have been lied about, harassed and verbally abused by greenman on your forum. I have never retaliated by saying anything bad about you or your forum. I have never said anything nasty or abusive to greenman.

I don't allow anyone on R&E to bash any other forums or people on other forums. Your forum has bashed many of my posters. This is very unfair and one sided. I'm even afraid you may be driving people away from my forum. Would it upset you if I tried to drive people away from your forum? Can you understand how this would upset me? Can you try to see this from my point of view?

On the blue board where you have the links to my forums, I am listed as a "Friend" . I feel like I have not been treated as a "friend". This upsets me.

Your post about Mondo says: "It is ALWAYS him who starts crap and who isn't content to have peace. "

Don't you see that you and your posters have been starting crap with R&E for about 4 years, while I have stayed out of it and not allowed anyone to retaliate?

I request a peace treaty between our forums. I will continue to not allow posters to bash the blue board or posters on the blue board. I request that you reciprocate and not allow anyone to bash the yellow board or people on the yellow board.

You could still do all that bashing and complaining by email. You and your friends in the back alley can set up a group email. You could discuss other forums with each other in private.

We can't stop the war in Ukraine. We can't stop the war in Middle East. All we have control over is our personal lives and our forums. Please let us have peace between our two forums. Please agree to my peace treaty.

You are welcome to share this email with your assistant moderators.

Last edited by Ken C (1/30/2024 2:38 am)

I see I’m the villain again. Did Ken write this, or Mongo?  Why do they come to see themselves criticized on a board that’s really none of their damned business?  MYOB!

I’ve tried to be nicer to Ken recently, respect his board and DNRs, and this is what I get?  I will reiterate to you, Ken: IF YOU WANT ME OFF YOUR BOARD, JUST ASK.  I’LL LEAVE.  But I won’t tailor my speech here to suit your nervous disposition.

Unbelievable. What a bunch of nosy, pissy trolls Boardhost has. The Blue Board is the only one that’s worth a damn, which I suppose is why it’s a target of others.

Unbelievable.

Last edited by greenman (1/30/2024 10:34 am)

There are times when human nature lives down to the lowest of expectations.

One of my team members is a major MAGA Republican. I know better than to discuss anything volatile in his presence. He never met a conspiracy theory he didn't fully believe. He's a MAGA Christian too, frequently mentioning "his" Jesus. MAGA Republican believes the election was stolen. Biden is a criminal. The DoJ and FBI are so corrupt, they should be defunded. There is no reasoning with him.

He wasn't bowling poorly. Always had shots with lots of pin carry, and makeable spares. But he wanted strikes. Expected strikes. When his ball didn't get a strike, he'd launch into a tirade audible across the whole alley and all that noise.

"Why do I even bother!"
"Same goddamn ball!"
"What the F word!!!"

The angrier he got, the worse he bowled. His attitude was dragging us all down, and efforts to calm him went in one ear and out the other. He made a spectacle of it. He missed picking up spares because he could not calm down and think his way through how to adjust. So our captain got in his face, telling him this was a team effort, and he was dragging us all down, which he was. MAGA Republican went ballistic!

That erupted in a very loud verbal shouting match that became physical as they wrestled each other RIGHT BESIDE ME! I told them to stop repeatedly, but it went unheard. The MAGA Republican is a big guy and from what I see, a former or potential bully. He got the best of our captain, and the captain's wife was yelling for them both to stop.

Finally MAGA let the captain go with a shove, and stormed down to the ball return to very angrily begin packing up his balls. He was done and was leaving.

When he left, the captain entered his "absent score" which lifted our team just a few pins behind our competition. The three of us left could easily make up the difference. But MAGA came back, and since he's the captain's friend, was allowed to continue.

Another team filed a protest with the alley. IMO MAGA Republican should have been kicked out. Suspended for N games. He should be kicked off the team. But he's captain's best friend. Not gonna happen.

I never imagined I'd see grown, adult men doing this kind of thing anywhere, let alone in public, right beside me. I was mortified with embarrassment because everyone in the alley was watching this debacle.

I thought about leaving too. But that would have given the captain TWO attitudes to deal with and worry about. There is no I in team. 

We lost 0-4. None of us bowled our average. I bowled 161, 148, 162 for an abysmal 471.

This ongoing board war is also largely result of one person with a bad attitude.. 

Last edited by Pikes Peak 14115 (1/30/2024 1:19 pm)

Siagiah wrote:

My final comment to Ken was this:

"Now, PLEASE, STOP DEMANDING I KILL THIS FORUM because you don't like it when greenman insults you.  Defend yourself or just don't read here.  Very simple really."  
 

I really try not to ‘insult’ him most of the time. I am critics of the board sometimes, and I’ve questioned his ability to handle it fulltime (even with Trish’s very valuable help) but as far as just insult for their own sake? No, not really.

Siagiah wrote:

My final comment to Ken was this:

"Now, PLEASE, STOP DEMANDING I KILL THIS FORUM because you don't like it when greenman insults you.  Defend yourself or just don't read here.  Very simple really."  
 

I did not "demand" anything in the message I sent to you. My message to you included the word "please" twice.   I included the word "request".  I did not include words like "demand". 

I did not even request you close this forum.  I understand Mondo likes to bash you on his forum, so you like to respond using this forum.  So I understand you want to keep this forum. 

I do not attack you like Mondo does on his forum.  I do not allow any posters to attack the Blue Board or people on the Blue Board.  It has been like that for 3 or 4 years.  I was hoping that if I was nice to you, you would treat me nicely too.

I disagree with some of the things you do on the blue board, but I don't talk about those things.  I am trying to be nice and not criticize you.


 

There is no ‘board war,’ Ken, that’s just a theatrical claim. I am certainly not at war with either your board or Mongo’s boards. I haven’t even commented on either of those lately.

There are certain posters who annoy me, or annoy Trish, or Sia, or whomever. We post on an out-of-the -way location about those POSTERS. Nobody makes you come here and read anything. Even Mongo seems to be doing a lot less of that - and he’s been getting a lot less criticism lately, too! What a coincidence!

You need to turn down the sensitivity levels and go back to your own board, since comments here bother you so much.  Respect Sia’s wishes about this board.

And you should probably go back to discussing this offboard with Sia, since right now you’re the reason there’s conflict here..

FWIW

Also, of course there is/was NO BOARD WAR with R&E.  His entire proposal was littered with the implication that there would be if I didn't agree to his proposal.

For some inexplicable reason, he seems to believe that if he believes that certain behaviors and rules work for him on HIS board, that everyone else MUST also follow them else they are doing wrong by him.  That is patently ABSURD.
 

https://mb.boardhost.com/ReligionAndEthics/msg/1706729431.html

Then there is the predictable return of moronity following the new year.
Who is this "Shaman Sez?"