To this day I don't understand "banning you for life."

When Mondo and I patched fences, I was glad. However he then pursued primarily Merlin and Sia to a point where it consumed him. He seemed less interested in discussing music and other common topics. In fact, essentially non interested. Every time Merlin posted, Mondo responded with sharp criticism, disparagement, and contempt. When he mentioned Sia, it was worse. For quite a while I looked the other way, and took occasion to suggest calming it down- mostly by finding something else to discuss. Like our common interests in music. I kinda took the position, well that's between Mondo and Merlin, or that's between Mondo and Sia. It hurt me to see people I know and respect so relentlessly criticized and disparaged. 

Mondo clearly preferred that kind of exchange more than our common interests. Finally, and reluctantly, unable to broker any kind of truce, I could not let it go on. I felt like a hypocrite and backstabber, and so asked for the DNR to be reinstated. 

That was extremely unfortunate. Mondo has good things to offer, just like Merlin and Sia. He chose not to develop those good things.To this day I have no ill will against him.

As for the xtian thinkers, writers, and philosophers, it was their collective opinion I was mistaken, misinformed, and incapable of a cogent argument, simply because I didn't believe "their way." They questioned my Christianity. That is my choice and right, not theirs. I didn't and don't question theirs, except to say how they think and believe is not for me. That doesn't make me a lesser Christian or a non Christian. 

Because my belief isn't rooted solely in the Bible, I am wrong, and not really a Christian. It was unthinkable to them, that anyone's relationship with God be unique and individual. I was very clear that my beliefs and observations in the science world reinforced my faith and belief in ways the Bible can't and doesn't. It works for me. 

Somewhere in their growth and development the idea the Bible is not just the ultimate authority, but the only authority, became their belief. 

Which Bible? What version? From what period of time? On this day many different Bibles exist. When you examine how the Bibles came to be, it raises more questions than answers, and it raises doubts. Of course the authority was THEIR Bible. 

What resolved it for me was the personal relationship with God. :Like a fingerprint, or voiceprint, or DNA, each and every one is unique. That can account for the differences. God doesn't preach sermons. Nowhere in the Bible does He speak to a crowd. Always one to one. If that is consistent there, then it must be here. 

Fellowship is the opportunity to compare notes. Not all will be the same. Some things we find the same. In others differences exist that may or may not apply to us commonly. 

Rather than build discussion and fellowship based on what we had in common, they chose to magnify the differences into cause and reason to cease discussion and sever fellowship. For justification, they picked and chose Bible verses to use as weapons, and many times they deliberately ignored what immediately followed in those verses, which effectively changed meaning and undid their intent. It was the weaponization they pursued; were after. What they wanted. What THEY wanted. What they WANTED. 

They broke it off with and from me. Nothing I wrote was interesting. I was incapable of cogent thought, and was told to stick to what I know- music pieces they seldom read. They treated SJW, a more accomplished musician than me, with contempt. 

DFM is the same way about climate. He is too much of an authority to be questioned.

They shut me down, and then told me to shut up. I did. They made their bed. Now they must lie in it. . 

Last edited by Pikes Peak 14115 (12/15/2024 11:47 am)

Pikes Peak 14115 wrote:

When Mondo and I patched fences, I was glad. However he then pursued primarily Merlin and Sia to a point where it consumed him. He seemed less interested in discussing music and other common topics. In fact, essentially non interested. Every time Merlin posted, Mondo responded with sharp criticism, disparagement, and contempt. When he mentioned Sia, it was worse. For quite a while I looked the other way, and took occasion to suggest calming it down- mostly by finding something else to discuss. Like our common interests in music. I kinda took the position, well that's between Mondo and Merlin, or that's between Mondo and Sia. It hurt me to see people I know and respect so relentlessly criticized and disparaged. 

Mondo clearly preferred that kind of exchange more than our common interests. Finally, and reluctantly, unable to broker any kind of truce, I could not let it go on. I felt like a hypocrite and backstabber, and so asked for the DNR to be reinstated. 

That was extremely unfortunate. Mondo has good things to offer, just like Merlin and Sia. He chose not to develop those good things.To this day I have no ill will against him.

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Admittedly, I was secretly glad when you finally terminated that tolerance of mongo's horrific treatment of Merlin and me.  It was hurtful to me that you ignored it completely in public, even though the entire time I encouraged you to follow your beliefs and never complained to you about it since it was "my problem" and not yours.

I've never expected anyone to stop being friends with someone I disliked or to publicly bash them on my behalf.  That is a totally selfish and unreasonable expectation of anyone, especially to force a choice or showdown. 

At the same time, it is also difficult to watch a friend never speak up to the antagonist to at least protest that their target(s) are their friends too.  That can be construed by the antagonist as silent approval of whatever ugly behavior they are doing.

As for ken's banishment of greenman "for life", I privately said to him that it seemed unfair since others behaved the same way yet were still on his board. 

I  asked him a number of times to give it some thought, particularly after ken admitted that he had FORGOTTEN why he'd banned him for life in the first place. That made it obvious that it was a personality clash with private arguments that was behind the lifetime ban and NOT specific misbehavior on his board that warranted it. 

I didn't hound him, I just took the opportunity when he constantly complained to me about how greenman disliked him so much and said so here. To me, it was obvious WHY greenman disliked him that much, but it never occurred to ken that maybe ken earned his dislike.

I appealed to his sense of fairness and eventually, he decided that he'd give him another chance.  Except that he didn't.  He banned him again AFTER greenman had stormed off, furious about yet ANOTHER unfair decision about disagreements between greenman and gog.  It was grossly unfair, once again, and directly related to ken being unable to handle greenman's anger at him for treating him unfairly all over again.  It was about greenman's private  behaviaor and once again, NOT about his behavior on R&E.  Yes, greenman said some ugly things to others, who ALSO said ugly things to him.

Ken and I had some lengthy discussions about his endless requests that we either :
kill this board;
take it to private email;
give him a nonexistent DNR against greenman;
or ban ANY criticism of him, R&E, and all of his participants from being posted on this board. 

Ummm, NO!

He complained that HE had certain rules that HE always followed on R&E and that I was somehow unreasonable not to follow HIS rules over here.  (Even though the Blue DISCUSSION board does follow similar rules, same as his discussion board does).  

He claimed that I was NOT being his friend or reasonable by not giving him what he repeatedly, ad nauseum, demanded in spite of my explaining, in detail, WHY his requests were unreasonable and WHY I was refusing to do them.

Finally, I blew up at him after something like his 20th demand that I do what he wanted, totally ignoring everything I'd already explained 20+ times to him.

It is CLEAR to me that ken IS "that kind of person" who expects everyone who he is friendly with to hate whomever he hates and to do whatever HE wants to remain friends with him.

Truth is, he hasn't a CLUE what being someone's friend even is.  I did everything I could to help him with his board because he was "too busy" even when I was mad at him for his endless crap.  I never betrayed him.

I warned him that scott was blowing smoke up his butt, driving posters away, and appeared to be trying to take control.  Ken told me that if I'd given him what he'd wanted over here (see above) that he would have listened to me instead of to scott's endless complaints about this board and (what I believe is pretend) concern for him, thus proving that my concerns were well founded.

Well, push came to shove and ken told me not to post for the rest of the year on R&E because I'd hurt his feelings and refused to do what he wanted. 

I had helped him for literally YEARS and never once complained that he didn't always agree with my views on certain posts. Never targeted anyone based on MY opinions on them.  Reported both friend and foe when they broke his rules. Never once asked him to change or bend his rules to my views.  NEVER BROKEN HIS RULES.

But I "hurt his feelings" in a private email, so that justified his request that I not post there for a month. A BAN FOR HURTING HIS FEELINGS?  Hmmm, just like what he did to greenman and others.  He's a FRAUD. You can break his rules all the time as long as you are nice to him as proven with his refusal to do anything about scott, observer, dfm, gog, and so on CONSTANTLY breaking his rules.

He even banned jb because jb ANNOYED him via email. NOT for cause, but for PERSONAL REASONS.  Same as me, same as greenman.

So F*CK him!  I'll NEVER post there again.  EVER.  He is the worst kind of whiner, the kind who does sh*t to people but then gets upset when they are angry and hurt his widdle boy feelings by telling him the truth about himself.
 

"As for ken's banishment of greenman "for life", I privately said to him that it seemed unfair since others behaved the same way yet were still on his board.

I  asked him a number of times to give it some thought, particularly after ken admitted that he had FORGOTTEN why he'd banned him for life in the first place. That made it obvious that it was a personality clash with private arguments that was behind the lifetime ban and NOT specific misbehavior on his board that warranted it.

I didn't hound him, I just took the opportunity when he constantly complained to me about how greenman disliked him so much and said so here. To me, it was obvious WHY greenman disliked him that much, but it never occurred to ken that maybe ken earned his dislike.

I appealed to his sense of fairness and eventually, he decided that he'd give him another chance.  Except that he didn't.  He banned him again AFTER greenman had stormed off, furious about yet ANOTHER unfair decision about disagreements between greenman and gog.  It was grossly unfair, once again, and directly related to ken being unable to handle greenman's anger at him for treating him unfairly all over again.  It was about greenman's private  behaviaor and once again, NOT about his behavior on R&E.  Yes, greenman said some ugly things to others, who ALSO said ugly things to him."

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A pretty fair summation.

The original problem was that Ken banned me for 7 MONTHS over some silly thing with GOG over DNRs, and yes, I said some fairly harsh things to Ken OFFLINE.  But as the year went on, I thought 'Well, I'll try and be a little more reasonable and not make a further fuss.' Ken said eventually he'd let EVERYONE back on after  the first of the year, so I thought 'Cool.' 

Then he banned me permanently instead.

At that point I just said 'Whatever.' It made no sense. 

My return was no better, despite all your efforts on my behalf, so I walked away.  He then banned me after I'd left, so I guess that made him feel better.  smh

F***ing GOG accused me of posting his photo WITHOUT his permission.

That is absolutely BULLSH*T.  He was fighting with HH over a photo that HH had posted that GOG insisted was him.  So he sent me a copy of a pix of himself to show how similar that pix were to prove it and ASKED ME to post it to prove that HH had stolen one of his pix and posted it.  (he couldn't post pix then)  So, I did.  I didn't think the photos looked anything alike, but he sure did.

So his LIE that I posted his pix without permission is pure B.S.  Since he's accused me of it and convinced several that I DID that, perhaps I WILL do it since I've already been convicted.
 

greenman wrote:

Note:

Kenniboi has taken down the link to the Blue Board.

Apparently another petty act of revenge...

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ROFLMAO

GOOD!  Now those who went here or to the Blue board via R&E won't know the route anymore without having to hunt us down in the giant list of forums and boards on Boardhost.

BTW, Ken can no longer post here, but so far, his log in to the Blue message board remains intact.  I may delete that now too given his childish behavior.

LOL
 

Bottom line is that KEN CAUSED A BOARD WAR that he repeatedly claimed HE DIDN’T WANT.

Great job dingbat!

You (ken) wouldn't take no for an answer and wound up being RESPONSIBLE for STARTING an actual board war that no one wanted and didn't have to happen

All because you are incapable of understanding what most other humans immediately recognize. Well, those who are NOT on the autism spectrum, that is.

I'm certainly not happy about it.  I'm so tired of the crap that has infested a board I used to hold in reverence.  And the invasion from White Whine - the worst board on Boardhost - had accelerated the failure.

The political, anti-science, anti-intelligent posting there, highlighted by the fanatical DFM and the insane GOG, had made it a board for morons.

Plus, the 'religion' posting is virtually ALL evangelical Christian BS and linked heavily to the incoming Trump Regime.

Despicable!  And it's at Ken's feet!

greenman wrote:

I'm certainly not happy about it. I'm so tired of the crap that has infested a board I used to hold in reverence. And the invasion from White Whine - the worst board on Boardhost - had accelerated the failure.

The political, anti-science, anti-intelligent posting there, highlighted by the fanatical DFM and the insane GOG, had made it a board for morons.

Plus, the 'religion' posting is virtually ALL evangelical Christian BS and linked heavily to the incoming Trump Regime.

Despicable! And it's at Ken's feet!

DFM and GOG
There're  a pair of authorities.
The xtian mob say if God can use despots like Hitler, Stalin, Putin and Felon to advance His will, He can do anything. Use anybody. The Bible is full of horrible rulers who murdered and swindled. What about the people they crimed against? So seated at the table of salvation will be the worst despot rulers, but the uninteresting people they bloodied are the mob in the hall and overflow room? Thank you very much, I'd rather eat with the mob. 

This xtian fellowship turned religion into superstition. They have the hall all to themselves. 
 

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